Comments on: How Deep Is Your Love? https://ecohustler.co.uk/2010/01/17/how-deep-is-your-love/ Mon, 24 May 2010 03:45:24 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.com/ By: The volcanic ash cloud that covered Europe revealed the outdated logic of our global economy « Afrosistance https://ecohustler.co.uk/2010/01/17/how-deep-is-your-love/#comment-128 The volcanic ash cloud that covered Europe revealed the outdated logic of our global economy « Afrosistance Fri, 30 Apr 2010 22:47:02 +0000 http://ecohustler.wordpress.com/?p=124#comment-128 [...] the scorched-earth capitalism employed by Kenya’s flower industry means that at current rates of operation Lake Naivasha will be gone in 10 years and the jobs for [...] [...] the scorched-earth capitalism employed by Kenya’s flower industry means that at current rates of operation Lake Naivasha will be gone in 10 years and the jobs for [...]

]]> By: Afrosistance https://ecohustler.co.uk/2010/01/17/how-deep-is-your-love/#comment-47 Afrosistance Mon, 15 Feb 2010 14:01:54 +0000 http://ecohustler.wordpress.com/?p=124#comment-47 read in the paper yesterday that 400 flower workers protested at naivasha and were attacked by riot police. workers hospitalised. little will most people know what cost the roses they're giving or receiving this year have come at...u can have a valentines day kiss instead x read in the paper yesterday that 400 flower workers protested at naivasha and were attacked by riot police. workers hospitalised. little will most people know what cost the roses they’re giving or receiving this year have come at…u can have a valentines day kiss instead x

]]> By: Mohamed Ali https://ecohustler.co.uk/2010/01/17/how-deep-is-your-love/#comment-43 Mohamed Ali Fri, 12 Feb 2010 13:57:22 +0000 http://ecohustler.wordpress.com/?p=124#comment-43 It is useful to use the concept of colonialism to makes sense of the thrust of your argument and examples. When you get a chance, you need to (re-)read a history of Europe since the Renaissance, with particular reference to imperialism, the Industrial Revolution, and the 19th and 20th centuries’ versions of colonialism, including slavery , the foundation of Israel, the Korean War, Vietnam, Desert Storm 1&2, and now Afghanistan & co, It will blow your mind and enable you to see Gaia’s current predicament as a historically inevitable result of humanity’s immature and irresponsible exploitation of the planet and its own kind. It is useful to use the concept of colonialism to makes sense of the thrust of your argument and examples.

When you get a chance, you need to (re-)read a history of Europe since the Renaissance, with particular reference to imperialism, the Industrial Revolution, and the 19th and 20th centuries’ versions of colonialism, including slavery , the foundation of Israel, the Korean War, Vietnam, Desert Storm 1&2, and now Afghanistan & co,

It will blow your mind and enable you to see Gaia’s current predicament as a historically inevitable result of humanity’s immature and irresponsible exploitation of the planet and its own kind.

]]> By: EcoHustler https://ecohustler.co.uk/2010/01/17/how-deep-is-your-love/#comment-42 EcoHustler Fri, 12 Feb 2010 13:08:50 +0000 http://ecohustler.wordpress.com/?p=124#comment-42 I am getting sick to death of reading in the media that it is good for Kenya for them to grow England’s roses because it provides jobs. What is this bullshit?! This is exactly what British colonialists were saying in the ‘50s as they were chopping off the heads of Kenyan men and raping the women (e.g. http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2010/jan/25/kenya-colonial-torture-mau-mau). Back in 1850 Britain started routing around in Kenya for ivory and cloves then coffee then tea. What the hell has changed!? Now apparently the best way for Kenya to develop is to use all their precious water to grow flowers for Europe!? Guess what… it is still European companies sucking all the money out of the ground. Is this really how people think Africa should develop? Anyone standing up saying the best way for Kenya to develop is to become Europe’s rose grower is simply a closet colonialist. They might as well come right out and say it. I am getting sick to death of reading in the media that it is good for Kenya for them to grow England’s roses because it provides jobs. What is this bullshit?!

This is exactly what British colonialists were saying in the ‘50s as they were chopping off the heads of Kenyan men and raping the women (e.g. http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2010/jan/25/kenya-colonial-torture-mau-mau). Back in 1850 Britain started routing around in Kenya for ivory and cloves then coffee then tea. What the hell has changed!? Now apparently the best way for Kenya to develop is to use all their precious water to grow flowers for Europe!? Guess what… it is still European companies sucking all the money out of the ground. Is this really how people think Africa should develop? Anyone standing up saying the best way for Kenya to develop is to become Europe’s rose grower is simply a closet colonialist. They might as well come right out and say it.

]]> By: kariuki wachira https://ecohustler.co.uk/2010/01/17/how-deep-is-your-love/#comment-34 kariuki wachira Fri, 29 Jan 2010 11:44:10 +0000 http://ecohustler.wordpress.com/?p=124#comment-34 I have been a local resident of lake naivasha ever since i was young.Back then we never used to have so many peaple in the catchment.Flower farms have attracted so many kenyans to work in the indurstry.Today we have little access to the lake I have been a local resident of lake naivasha ever since i was young.Back then we never used to have so many peaple in the catchment.Flower farms have attracted so many kenyans to work in the indurstry.Today we have little access to the lake

]]> By: ben https://ecohustler.co.uk/2010/01/17/how-deep-is-your-love/#comment-30 ben Tue, 19 Jan 2010 05:58:02 +0000 http://ecohustler.wordpress.com/?p=124#comment-30 Funnily enough, this very morning I sat and watched a representative of Amiran (an Israeli agro-business and part of a group of companies HQ'd in the UK) wax lyrical for about 45 minutes on national morning tv about the quality of its work - he harped on about their floriculture industry, citing the roses they produce as reaching european standards of quality and good enough to sell in Tescos. The presenter just sat there nodding obsequiously, finishing up by concluding 'wow, very impressive indeed. Amiran - showing poor kenyan farmers the way forward into the future'. No discussion of Naivasha, what's happening there now, what will happen in 10 years time etc etc. On their website - "The Amiran Kenya Ltd brand has become synonymous with the highest international standards of excellence." The guy on TV also said everything they do is to the highest environmentally-friendly standards and with long-term conservation in mind. This huge claim went unchallenged. The initial anti-discourse or counterknowledge - or at the least the language/terminology it employs - has been completely hijacked and only strengthen's the position of the orthodoxy we're looking to deconstruct/challenge. This relationship between knowledge and counterknowledge is, I think, an age-old problem. The need is to find an effective and real - ie non-piecemeal - solution. Answers on a postcard. http://www.amirankenya.com/index.php?option=com_content&view=frontpage&Itemid=1 Funnily enough, this very morning I sat and watched a representative of Amiran (an Israeli agro-business and part of a group of companies HQ’d in the UK) wax lyrical for about 45 minutes on national morning tv about the quality of its work – he harped on about their floriculture industry, citing the roses they produce as reaching european standards of quality and good enough to sell in Tescos. The presenter just sat there nodding obsequiously, finishing up by concluding ‘wow, very impressive indeed. Amiran – showing poor kenyan farmers the way forward into the future’.

No discussion of Naivasha, what’s happening there now, what will happen in 10 years time etc etc.

On their website – “The Amiran Kenya Ltd brand has become synonymous with the highest international standards of excellence.”

The guy on TV also said everything they do is to the highest environmentally-friendly standards and with long-term conservation in mind. This huge claim went unchallenged.

The initial anti-discourse or counterknowledge – or at the least the language/terminology it employs – has been completely hijacked and only strengthen’s the position of the orthodoxy we’re looking to deconstruct/challenge.

This relationship between knowledge and counterknowledge is, I think, an age-old problem. The need is to find an effective and real – ie non-piecemeal – solution.

Answers on a postcard.

http://www.amirankenya.com/index.php?option=com_content&view=frontpage&Itemid=1

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